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Proposition 7:

(Old person in a thong)

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Proposition number 7: It is a violation of Community Standards for a person ‘of a certain age’ to wear a thong at a public beach. (thong = a small piece of cloth that covers the genitals, held in place with strings. One string passes between the buttocks – in the butt-crack – leaving the buttocks exposed.)

 

Summary: {‘Against’ the proposition wins. The five vote win for the ‘against’ side is less than the margin of error, so the win is not statistically significant at the generally accepted 95% confidence level. Although ‘against’ wins for the 104 persons who voted, it cannot be confidently applied to the community as a whole.}

 

 

Score:

(Agreement Votes:

‘No Rule’ Votes:

Disagreement Votes)

 

Disagreement:Agreement

Ratio

Judgment:

 

(for or against

the proposition)

All eligible Voters

39:21:44

1.1:1

against

eligible Males

14:7:24

1.7:1

against

eligible Females

23:14:20

1:1.2

for

 

 

 

 

 

 

All non-eligible Voters

9:8:11

1.2:1

against

Teen Females

4:4:5

1.3:1

against

All non-resident Voters

4:3:4

1:1

tie between ‘for and ‘against’

non-resident Males

1:1:3

3:1

against

non-resident Female

 

3:2:1

1:3

for


 

Details:

 

 

Number of Votes

Number of Voters

Number of Abstainers

All eligible Voters

17

22

21

21

23

104

3

eligible Males

7

7

7

11

13

45

0

eligible Females

10

13

14

10

10

57

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All non-eligible Voters

6

3

8

3

8

28

1

Teen Females

2

2

4

1

4

13

0

All non-resident Voters

3

1

3

1

3

10

0

non-resident Males

1

0

1

1

2

5

0

non-resident Females

2

1

2

0

1

6

0

 

Strongly

Agree

 

Agree

 

No Rule

 

Disagree

Strongly

Disagree

 

 

 

Of the 104 Voters who voted:

 

42%

 

in favour of an older woman or a very young child wearing a thong¹

38%

against

20%

voted ‘No Rule’ (i.e. status quo)

 

If we exclude the ‘no rule’ category:

of the 83 Eligible Voters who voted agreement or disagreement:

 

53%

(±10.8%, 19 times out of 20)

in favour of an older woman or a very young child wearing a thong

47%

against

¹I used the words “older woman or a very young child” instead of ‘person of a certain age’, because proposition 8 forbids a male wearing a thong, therefore, this proposition would have to apply to females only.

Graph 7A

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Graph 7B


 

Graph 7C

Median Minimum Age =  16.5 years old; n=31

Average Minimum Age =  15.9 years old; n=31


 

Graph 7D

Median Maximum Age =  30.5 years old; n=19

Average Maximum Age = 40.8 years old; n=19


 

Calculation of Margin of Error:

 

            Calculation of margin of error ranges for the 95% confidence level:

            The results are: 39 votes ‘for’ and 44 votes ‘against’.

 

Against:           39 votes±10.8% = 39 votes±4.2 votes = a range of 34.8 to 43.2

For:                 44 votes±10.8% = 44 votes±4.8 votes = a range of 39.2 to 48.8

 

            Because the two ranges overlap, the resulting vote cannot be considered statistically significant at the generally accepted 95% (i.e. 19 times out of 20) confidence level if applied to the Community as a whole.

 

Discussion of Results for Proposition Number 7:

 

 

            The Majority of men were against the proposition (i.e. in favour of thongs), women were ‘for’ the proposition (i.e. disagree with women wearing thongs on an undesignated public beach). On this topic teen females sited with the men and not the women as in other propositions.

            My intention in writing this proposition was to determine if an older person could wear a thong. I had in mind a 50-year-old, but some voters commented that young children should not wear thongs. I had not anticipated that a voter would try to apply this proposition to that age group since I thought that the phrase, ‘of a certain age’ could only be applied to an older person. Perhaps the wording of the proposition is in need of revision in any possible future vote. Even though the question only anticipated one age, many voters wrote a minimum and a maximum age so I will bend to the wishes of the voters. I collated the comments and here present the minimum age to wear a thong at a public beach and the maximum age as indicated by all the voters who left comments in this regard.

            In this proposition, voters were asked to define: ‘of a certain age’. The median ages for the minimum age and maximum age to wear a thong were: 16.5 and 30.5 years old respectively. The average ages for the minimum and maximum age to wear a thong were 15.9 and 40.8 respectively.

            Although it was my intention for this proposition to apply only to older people and I was trying to find out if it was alright for older people to wear a thong, the voters, in their comments and age indications, applied this proposition to young children, as well as older persons. In this report, I use the short title: ‘old guy in a thong’ even though this proposition applies to both genders. Since proposition 8, the next proposition, forbids males wearing thongs, this proposition might be reinterpreted to apply only to females, and, more specifically, to older females and to young female children.

 

 


 

Voter Comments Section:

 

            Community Standards Vote 2008

 

Ifs/ands/buts/comments on the following proposition: 7. It is a violation of  Community Standards for a person ‘of a certain age’ to wear a thong at a public beach. (thong = a small piece of cloth that covers the genitals, held in place with strings. One string passes between the buttocks –in the butt-crack- leaving the buttocks exposed.) Define ’of a certain age’ in the above rule (What age? 0-80+): ___________.

 

[Comments are typed as the various authors wrote them with no correction of spelling or editing.  Editors notes are placed within square brackets.]

 

[legend: M=male, F=female, number is age, X=not specified.]

 

1.

F50s

Thongs should not be allowed.

2.

F50s

No age is it acceptable.

3.

F40s

Thongs are not a favoured piece of attire of mine & though I have no desire to view another’s buttocks, my preference doesn’t preclude another’s right to wear a thong.

4.

M30s

Age discrimination implications!

5.

F30s

However, there should be designated areas so that families do not have to expose their children if not want to be exposed.

6.

M20-25

 In case of womens wearing cloths like is written here age should be 18+.

7.

F20-25  

Any age, it is wrong.

8.

F20-25  

 If you’ve got it flaunt it.

9.

M20-25 

 Young children between ages of 5 and 10 should not be wearing clothing like that.

10.

F20-25  

 Doesn’t matter.

11.

F20-25  

 Depends what beach.

12.

F19

 No thongs on a public beach!

13.

F19

Anyone! No thongs.

14.

F19

if nice body [she voted ‘strongly disagree’and age = 18-30]

15.

F60

All body parts should be covered.

16.

F20

Any age, it is wrong.

 

 

-end of proposition 7 -

 

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